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[rm]

Today started with me accidentally snapping my favorite pair of glasses in half.

Now I am trying to figure out what to wear to the CoE thing today that DWNY is going.

Last night Patty and I saw Public Enemies, which I thought was a film that had no idea what story it wanted to tell and examined too many aspects of the story in deeply curosry ways so that they were disturbing but without viewpoint. That said, the use of music in it was spectacular (what was the guitar track that's also used in the previews? so great!); the performances were all amazing (although I wish the actors had been given more to do, and there's something hilarious about Billy Cruddup playing Hoover); I always forget how much I enjoy that mid-century patrician accent you barely hear anymore that was all over this film; and people, the aesthetic brilliance of the film (oh the suits!) was amazing. So I had fun, and I'm glad we went and romantic dinner afterwards didn't hurt either.

What hurt? CoE preview at the movies!

I find all the fan protests to be really uncomfortable and many of them I find to be really disrespectful/obnoxious as an artist myself. But I gotta say, don't care how crazy it is, the people leaving flowers at the Torchwood tourist office site? Kinda sweet.

I can't believe I snapped my fucking glasses in half!

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[amand-r.livejournal.com]

But I gotta say, don't care how crazy it is, the people leaving flowers at the Torchwood tourist office site? Kinda sweet.

Oh. They are? ::wibbles:: Oh.

[better-late24.livejournal.com]

But I gotta say, don't care how crazy it is, the people leaving flowers at the Torchwood tourist office site? Kinda sweet.

I didn't know they were doing that. I've mainly been hiding from comms right now. That is kind of sweet, in the way that it makes me feel sad again :(

What hurt? CoE preview at the movies!

Oh, I really hope that doesn't happen to me. Do I really need to start crying during the previews?

[better-late24.livejournal.com]

Ignore the part where I forget to turn italics off...

[kessie.livejournal.com]

But I gotta say, don't care how crazy it is, the people leaving flowers at the Torchwood tourist office site? Kinda sweet.

Oh dear, getting kind of sniffly now. :(

[(Anonymous)]

I think protests are ok if they are tasteful and not nasty. For instance, mailing a coffee bean or wearing a t-shirt asking for Ianto's return is not disrespectful. Some of the stuff i've seen about people being rude to RTD at conventions, however, is.
If people need to deal with this by forming a protest group then it's absolutely fine, but if it's a bunch of things done in anger then no one is going to win.The anti-Gwen sentiment that tends to prevail undermines everything they want to achieve. Do I believe protesting will actually make a difference? No. But I do think it will help people if they approach it in a positive and witty manner, befitting the character of Ianto.

-Nathan

[rm.livejournal.com]

Word.

I mean, I do get how devastated peopel are. I'm a fucking mess. I also think the writers made a set of choices that were not the only choices but do make absolute sense and delivered us a stellar product or the sort people will be talking about for years to come. and I'd love to see where they go next.

I'm chill with the coffee bean thing (although as an American, it's a bit "teabagging the White House" -- and that's just so cringe-worthy) and so forth, but as you say -- the harrassing creatives, and the excuse for random misogyny is really, really where I lose my patience.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly.
The coffee bean idea though is just something that randomly popped into my head. I don't know if it's something people are doing. Anything is better than having people send hatemail. I'm British so I'm not sure what the teabagging the White House thing is..aside from the obvious!
Also, where did you hear about the people leaving flowers thing? That is quite sweet.
Thanks for all the well thought out post COE entries as well. It's hard to find Ianto fans who are hurting and being rational at the same time!

-Nathan

[timberwolfoz.livejournal.com]

But I gotta say, don't care how crazy it is, the people leaving flowers at the Torchwood tourist office site? Kinda sweet.

Awwwwww!

[darthhellokitty.livejournal.com]

That was exactly my reaction to Public Enemies, that and it was too long. There were gunfights where I couldn't tell who was shooting at who. But it DID have lots of great clothes and cars.

The flowers thing? That is so sweet.

[lawsontl.livejournal.com]

Agreed. I'd love to play along with some of it, but 90% of it is as much about directing anger at Gwen as it is showing support for Ianto, and I can't go there. Aside from the fact that it's no character's fault, if they're right, and RTD really does have his head so far up Gwen's posterior, you think ripping on her while asking to get Ianto back is going to HELP?

In the end, it's still a fiscal and logistical decision. Will the BBC find the ratings good enough to fund it and also HAVE funding? (the major downside to taxpayer funded television, commercial TV finds a way if there's ratings, taxpayer funding has more obligations to balance). Will RTD remain involved from LA and/or hand it off to people in Wales to keep it going? If they could write Ianto back in, would GDL come back or will he have something else obligating him by then? And JB's schedule is notoriously full. It's about both characters together, not just one.
So many moving pieces, and that's all forgetting the world that was left behind for the show after CoE ended. It would be a radically altered world, or one in complete denial, and I'm not sure I could enjoy either.

Frankly, even though I'm still in the bargaining stage of grief (GIVE me the tired cliche, bring him back with crappy handwaving, damnit, what else is the Doctor for!?), in my moments of lucidity, I do feel it's probably for the best that it ends now. We can't undo CoE. Best I can hope for is denial, and the sad part was - as you've said - they acted the hell out of it, so it's not fair to them creatively to ignore it completely.

[stardragonca.livejournal.com]

I hate when I do that!

[marchek.livejournal.com]

people leaving flowers at the Torchwood tourist office site? Kinda sweet.

If I knew of a place in the city that had a stationary Torchwood poster (as opposed to the ones on buses) I probably wouldn't have left flowers there. That is seriously something that went through my mind after the Day 4.

[smirnoffmule.livejournal.com]

I just feel kind of sad at all these earnest protests going because I really don't think they'll make a stroke of difference - if RTD does end up bringing Ianto back, it'll be because he always intended to, not for any other reason. Fair enough if people want to do something for themselves or for the lulz, but I really don't think people should get their hopes up for it actually making a significant difference to the decision making process.

And to be quite honest, I've been so blown away by what they've done, I kind of don't want to cheapen it, or devalue the character's arc with a reset (well, I do and I don't - the part of me that values artistic integrity and the part of me that fanpersons are currently duking that out. It's getting bloody).

[rm.livejournal.com]

I'll assume wouldn't = would've?

[rm.livejournal.com]

If RTD brings Ianto back, it's because he's planning to break our hearts worse.

[rm.livejournal.com]

Actually the coffee bean thing is actually happening -- I've seen planning posts since the night Day 4 aired.

The teabagging thing was the lunatic right-wing fringe in America deciding to protest presumed tax increases (that they don't understand) by mailing teabags to the White House in some sort of supposed echo of the Boston Teaparty (which was about taxation without representation, which is not the issue here). But, in the process, we got lots of Republican political figures going on national TV and saying things like "teabag the White House before they teabag you" which left those of us with a more rich knowledge of sexual slang and the liberal commentators with our jaws hanging open. One of those moments where the horror of American politics was actually funny.

The flowers thing I've seen on Twitter and on LJ. I'm ridiculously touched by it.

[marchek.livejournal.com]

um, yeah.

Caffeine overload making typing difficult.

[rm.livejournal.com]

I hear you.

I was having bitter cocoa last night, because it's the closest I can have to coffee.

IANTO JONES DIED AND I AM VIOLENTLY ALLERGIC TO COFFEE.

Hi.

[therealycats.livejournal.com]

90% of it is as much about directing anger at Gwen as it is showing support for Ianto

Really?! I'm not really a Gwen fan, but I thought her character got the respect it deserved in this go and she finally became the strong, intelligent woman she was always supposed to be. I'm honestly still mind-boggled at all the hate for this series. I haven't been reading too much in the comms, although I did just see someone get some nasty responses over on torch_wood when s/he suggested a series 4 petition, and I've seen some general bitching on ohnotheydidnt, but I just don't get how fans of the show can look at this week and think it was anything short of amazing. So your character died; mine did too, but IT WAS GOOD TELEVISION.

[marchek.livejournal.com]

Preparing espresso has been a calming ritual these past few days.

I've done it too many times.

[smirnoffmule.livejournal.com]

Yeah - this is TW. We've had people coming back but never in a nice way. It's all about the embalming and the animals howling in the dark. If I were Ianto, I'd sooner stay put.

[maryling.livejournal.com]

I just don't get how fans of the show can look at this week and think it was anything short of amazing. So your character died; mine did too, but IT WAS GOOD TELEVISION.

This. I've seen a lot of American fans saying "I heard what happens and now I'm not going to watch, I only watched the show for X so if X is gone I won't watch WAHHHH" They're going to be missing a hell of a series.

[laughingacademy.livejournal.com]

Sorry to hear about about your glasses!

I found Public Enemies really interesting. On the one hand, it’s a meticulous recreation of the thirties: the clothes, the sets, the historical details; on the other hand, it’s a very twenty-first-century movie: the hand-held digital video, the depiction of violence, the naturalistic acting. (Speaking of acting, did you know David Wenham was in this as one of Dillinger’s cronies? I wouldn’t if I hadn’t stayed for the credits. Fucking chameleon.)

FYI, your post “Oh Noes! There's Gay People In My Fandom!” was linked in cleolinda’s LJ today, so you may experience an influx of readers.

[rm.livejournal.com]

She tweeted it too! Which was very confusing last night when it started getting all these comments (and I didn't know she had) and I was like "er, aren't we still on about Torchwood?"

Will we be seeing you today?

[therealycats.livejournal.com]

My poor Australian friend's aunt updated her Facebook status to say that Ianto died and now she is PISSED. Not pissed that Ianto died, but pissed that her aunt did that. I swear some people shouldn't be allowed on the internets.

I'm glad I didn't wait, though, because inevitably I would have been spoiled, and I don't get BBCA anyway...and I'll be out of state when it's airing. I'll just get the DVDs the following week.