and on another subject, but related to queer fetishization

[rm]

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/07/backlash-shmacklash-thats-torchwood-creator-russell-t-davies-reaction-to-the-outcry-over-the-death-of-gareth-david-lloyds.html#

I know many people in fandom are pissed about this interview.

But you know what? I fucking love it, because what I do think he's taking aim at in the thing about "go watch Supernatural" and the paragraph that follows on from there, I think he's talking about the fetishizaton of gay characters by parts of the audience and some of the nasty pop-psychology out there from people who really haven't walked even an inch in anyone's big gay shoes. Now sure, those people aren't all of fandom, and no one likes to be lumped in with clueless people they really disagree with, but so it goes.

For me, it's hat tip to RTD time. I don't always agree with his writing choices or his thoughts on writing, but I largely loved CoE, and am writing both Ianto is dead and Ianto isn't dead stuff, and think his remarks on this theme are right fucking on.

(and for the record, I don't think Ianto was fridged either. Jack's ongoing lovers are going to die, and, while he works for Torchwood, probably young and violently. If we expect to see omnisexual Jack having relationships with men, we have to expect those men to meet nasty ends in service to the dilemma of Jack's existence).

(and for the additional record, we can disagree and respect each other, because this is, among other things, about how we care about stories, and that's fucking lovely)

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[cleverthylacine]

I do ship Wincest and that was the only part of the interview I liked! LOL.

There are so many things I don't like about CoE. Ianto's death is somewhere at the bottom of the second page, it's very silly for people to dismiss it as all because Ianto died. I kind of boggle at things like "we can make them all chant in the same language whether they know it or not, but we can't get them all to turn themselves over without the government helping" and "we can invent a virus that kills everyone exposed within minutes but we can't synthesise a brain chemical" and "eleven kids were enough for us for 40 years but now we need a billion."

I don't feel TW has ever had consistent characterisation, plots that make sense or good science, and I hate the way he always has to (almost!) destroy the world and slip in a "no place like home". But then I don't actually consider myself a Torchwood fan. I'm a Jack fan and sometimes a DW fan; I thought Torchwood was a great idea, poorly executed, from about the middle of the first season on.