That said...
Dear Everyone Else, I am extremely sick of people calling her "a bitch" and "a slut" and other gendered terms that are about shaming female gender and sexuality because they either are (rightfully) angry about this latest debacle and default to those words (I'm working on it too!) or, and this is what I'm really irritated about, because they don't like that she's marrying Neil Gaiman.
This thing is about Amanda Palmer and who she is in public. While this thing may or may not be relevant to who she or Gaiman are are in private, if you don't know them personally (_personally_, not whatever quirk of internet/celebrity culture put the whole Internet on a first name basis with them) who they are at home isn't relevant to you, and the jealousy and misogyny I've seen directed at her deeply, deeply muddies the water in the critical response to her work and the performance of her public life. Please knock it off. It's not helping, and it's not appropriate.
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Date: 2010-03-26 01:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-03-26 01:46 pm (UTC)*nods* I think that the way the show treats retcon is maybe a factor - it's seen as a tool, mainly. Although Adam of course showcased the dangers of being able to manipulate people's memories... Hmm.
if sex isn't something to RESIST, then there's comparatively less incentive to consider taking it as an avenue of attack?
I think having Jack as the main authority figure is actually quite important in this respect. Jack is overtly sexual, but not when it comes to threatening people. Sex is, although often screwed up (see Gwen/Owen), generally portrayed as a *good* thing.
Must ponder more, my head is full of thoughts and I'm not sure I'm putting things right. It's a very tricky subject.
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Date: 2010-03-26 01:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-03-26 06:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-03-26 01:51 pm (UTC)I think having Jack as the main authority figure is actually quite important in this respect. Jack is overtly sexual, but not when it comes to threatening people. Sex is, although often screwed up (see Gwen/Owen), generally portrayed as a *good* thing.
This is where I was attempting to go in an unfinished comment, thank you.
A lot (not all) of rape narratives come from a "sex is bad" place, so if you're dealing with a group of characters for whom that's not a trope, you remove that angle. It's very refreshing, honestly.
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Date: 2010-03-26 01:53 pm (UTC)Man, this is getting really thorny and our culture is sooooooooooooo screwed-up.
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Date: 2010-03-26 02:01 pm (UTC)Sex is bad.
If you get raped, it's your fault somehow. Either you wanted it and are trying to cover your ass after, or you were dressed wrong and sent the wrong message, or you just didn't say no loud enough. The onus is on you, the victim, to have prevented the rape. Otherwise, well, clearly you did want it or deserved it.
Also, a girl or woman who has been raped has been sullied and is a dirty thing. Who wants a dirty thing? You know, because sex is bad and she had sex.
Sex is not a bad or dirty thing on Torchwood, and while there's all kinds of weird things behind any given character's consent, it is always given.
When you're writing Torchwood, which is full of adult characters for whom consent, while may have caveats, is given freely by way of Alien pheremones, brainwashing, or ulterior motives. That is to say, in the moment the consent is given, it is meant.
It's hard to write a rape narrative of the above sort (again, LAZY WRITING WHOA) when a rape victim, in that environment, would receive compassion, help, and retribution, not shame.
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Date: 2010-03-26 02:20 pm (UTC)THIS. Torchwood takes the motivation to tell that story away by neutralizing (most of) a potential rapist's reasons to use sex as the avenue of attack, as opposed to simple non-sexual violence; if there's no value-added to rendering the attack with a sexual dimension, because you can't plausibly play off of the cultural assumptions about sex that you cite, then odds are your typical writer is just going to go with the straight-up mugging/assault/ohmygodanalienjustrippedmyfaceoff and save themselves the trouble of opening that can of worms, if said can of worms isn't specifically the story they're intending to tell. (Which it could certainly be, I have seen it done even in this fandom, but it means that OMG RAEP isn't automatically a go-to complication to muddy up just any story with.)