I have a question

[rm]

Why is ogi_ogas the maintainer of something that purports to be an SFF critique group?

http://community.livejournal.com/m00nr0cket/profile

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[xtricks.livejournal.com]

Because he evidently also writes sci-fi and wow is it horrible. Lots of guns shoved into belts and very subject verb noun constructions. And very sterotypical traditional male style military sci-fi.

[rm.livejournal.com]

*scrapes jaw off floor*

[kel-reiley.livejournal.com]

*boggles*

[jonquil.livejournal.com]

He's an aspiring SF writer; a member of his critique group mentioned this approvingly somewhere, I think in one of the shaggirl threads.

[rm.livejournal.com]

this is me, getting angrier.

[threewalls]

This comment on mecurtin's journal seems to suggest that Ogi also writes SFF.

[threewalls]

Get the feeling Ogi counts himself as a 'real' writer, unlike those that write fan fiction? (Which is not so much directly related to the comment I've linked, but a general impression after a few days of this.)

[britgeekgrrl.livejournal.com]

What, this person - who has displayed awesome levels of stupidity - is supposedly a part of the SF community?

Jesus. Not in my book, he ain't...

I mean, wow. Things were bad enough, but if ogi writes SF and participates in the community he really should know better - even more so that previously. And thus teh stoopid is even MORE mind-boggling.

That's it. I'm calling and end to the day and mixing martinis...

[xtricks.livejournal.com]

Well, much as we all might like differently, SFF is not more a cohesive, politically homogenous group than any other. His style of sci-fi, if his exerpts are any indication, is the sterotypical rather simplisitc military sci-fi of the blow thigns up and shoot the bad guys type.

[heron61.livejournal.com]

Sadly, it's possible to find massive amounts of racism (these days, mostly against Muslims), homophobia, and misogyny in recently published SF, as well as at least novel that is pro-nazi. Thankfully the vast majority of SF isn't anything like this.

racefail meets surveyfail

[ambyr.livejournal.com]

He's a Viable Paradise grad.

You know. The workshop run by TNH, PNH, Elizabeth Bear, et al. (http://www.sff.net/Paradise/) ()

Re: racefail meets surveyfail

[karnythia.livejournal.com]

OMFG!!!!

Re: racefail meets surveyfail

[dsmoen.livejournal.com]

As someone who went to VP twice, this saddens me.

Re: racefail meets surveyfail

[newsbean.livejournal.com]

o_0

That does explain a lot.

LORD.

Re: racefail meets surveyfail

[kalichan.livejournal.com]

I have to say that the racefail exhibited in this segment, and that displayed in the original are of a different order, in my opinion. I can't imagine Elizabeth Bear, for instance, looking at that particular piece of writing with approbation.

Re: racefail meets surveyfail

[kita0610.livejournal.com]

THE FAIL HAS COME FULL CIRCLE.

Or eaten its own ass. Whichever metaphor you prefer.

[redeem147.livejournal.com]

I suspect he's something to do with this (http://sff.onlinewritingworkshop.com/halloffame.shtml).

And since I'm zipping through my FL, don't know if you saw this (http://deadlychameleon.livejournal.com/230809.html).

[mintwitch.livejournal.com]

::waves:: Hi, darlin'!

Thanks for the pointer to OWW. You've been in fandom for dog's years and you're one of the kindest people I have ever had the privilege to know, so... what's your opinion of OWW, and this entire kerfuffle, in general?

{sorry for the hijack, RM!}

[themaskmaker.livejournal.com]

Well, at least the community has less than five members...

[count-to-seven.livejournal.com]

I was about to say the same. Truly jumping community they have there.

[mintwitch.livejournal.com]

The group writes and critiques each other's work. His SF story is really quite dreadful, but I didn't think it appropriate to out him. Mocking him for the survey is one thing; for his writing, that's another. He'd have to cross several more lines before I'd unpack his adjectives.

However, the writing fiction part of his life contributes to my feeling that he's using his "survey" to deal with issues around writing and publication, in a very hostile/passive-aggressive way, i.e. he can't deal with the fact that his fiction suxxors and he's not going to get published by anything better than a vanity press, so he's sublimating by attempting to pin slash fanficcers to his corkboard. His focus on porn, slash, and straight, cis, female writers thereof is creepy.

Too. Much. Agenda.

[jonquil.livejournal.com]

I decided to go for it, not on the grounds of his adjectives, but on the grounds of the truly horrific racism, religious prejudice, and all-around stereotyping.

"Lagos dey peppershit of Africa. I think worst city in all world.” Wheel’s young black chauffeur Badu navigated the Pathfinder 4x4 through the squelching wetlands around Lake Chad, head joggling to some kind of draggy triphop with pidgin english lyrics, several songs seemed to concern angels and devils."
"“Don’t you have to pray to Mecca?”

“Sake of what?”

“Aren’t you Moslem?”

“You go to the church?”

“Nope.”

“You dey Jew?”

“Nope.”

“Ah-ah you no dey Christian, no dey Jew. No religion nohow.”

“That’s right.”

“So then why you asking me.”

Wheel shrugged. “Mahamat is Moslem.”

“Big man head no correct. Him no dey Moslem, him into nothing but big trouble, like you.”
"

[annlarimer.livejournal.com]

http://community.livejournal.com/m00nr0cket/7813.html#cutid1

No. NO.

[sunhawk.livejournal.com]

http://community.livejournal.com/m00nr0cket/4958.html


I've been reading every book on writing technique I can get my hands on

Uh huh....

The author's philosophy also matches my own; maybe that made it easier for me to like his advice, though naturally I like to think that it's just the result of spending a lot of time trying to write (and failing) that brought me to the Correct Philosophy! :)

Explains a lot.


I smell a "thanks for giving me research for my book on bitchy fandom wimmen!" in 3...2...1...

[starlady38.livejournal.com]

I swear to god, this man uses more emoticons and exclamation points than any 5 self-respecting academics--or writers--I know. Which is not to denigrate either form of punctuation, but seriously, whatever happened to using them sensibly?

I'm using the punctuation to distract myself. Holy shit that is awful. I wish, though, that I could be surprised; at this point very little would surprise me out of this dude.

[eumelia.livejournal.com]

Having read the links in the threads here, I'm going to echo the "Dear God! No! WHY?!" because Wow. Just... fucking Wow!

And freakin' creepy!

[dvanulya.livejournal.com]

Note also his interest in Techniques of the Selling Writer.
http://community.livejournal.com/m00nr0cket/4958.html

I wonder if it explains how to stir up a shitstorm so you can claim to be famous/infamous on the interwebs?

[annlarimer.livejournal.com]

http://www.amazon.com/Techniques-Selling-Writer-Dwight-Swain/dp/0806111917/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1251924244&sr=8-1

"You need to know only four things in order to write a solid story: how to group words into motivation-reaction units; how to group motivation-reaction units into scenes and sequels; how to group scenes and sequels into story pattern; how to create the kind of characters that give a story life."

Writing: like making a granny square afghan.

[msp-hacker.livejournal.com]

I've been avoiding this mess like the plague, but m00nr0cket is an awesome name for a community.

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